Vz alloytec won t start. Also check and confirm that there is fuel in the car.

Vz alloytec won t start Sometimes I have to turn the k Aug 30, 2019 · if it’s not illuminated/flashing when it faults, turn the ignition back off, remove the key from ign open and close door and wait till padlock comes on dash. 6 VZ commodore new key cranks over won’t start, yes car was running when stopped lost key got new one won’t start, VZ, VZ. Gary. An LED test light won’t work. Turn key to start engine. These are the typical conditions of the GM design position for mounting the ECU on the Alloytec 3. it eventually chugs and almost starts, but then the dash lights up saying ABS FAULT or Check powertrain Sep 4, 2018 · My alloytec engine is running rough, and many forums suggested that the ignition coils may be at fault, instead of me rectifying which one was faulty i decided to buy all 6. Cheers. I replaced battery and key still no go, then managed to start by removing starter relay, using Nov 5, 2014 · Hi Guys Got an ongoing issue with my vz for a couple of months now. Get someone to try start. . You can tune it with commercial software but note that although most the tunerpro stuff in the FAQ will follow similar concepts the tools and details will be different. Then check for constant battery power to the big wire at the starter. Opened the bonnet only to discover a fine line of pink spray from the dry red coolant, all across the engine bay. Now, here's my problem. VZ wont start after sitting for a while. Has anyone else experienced this or got any idea what it could be. Get the plugs replaced ASAP with Bosch double platinums gapped to 1. Lasts for about 3seconds then kicks into normal. 5v signal from computer to energise the relay? Nov 23, 2011 · vz Calais turns over won't start!! Thread starter luggy; Start date Nov 23, 2011; L. Thread starter Lunchbox72; Start date Oct 10, 2016; L. You should get a really weak flicker in the test light. Joined May 4, 2009 Messages 2,290 Reaction score 16 Points 38 Location Gold Coast Aug 24, 2017 · recently it wouldnt start so we connected a scan tool and found some codes- slip rings was one and can bus another. I’ve replaced the key and the locksmith checked the barrel shaft and other components in that area and they were all Jul 14, 2010 · The standard cats on the alloytec motors are known to be hi-flow cats, so when replacing the cats on the VZ when new headers are fitted, it is advisable to stick with hi-flow cats. 6l alloytec 10HBA which had low compression and blown head gaskets and horrible valves so i bought a exchange motor which is also a 10HBA motor dropped it in and wont start i left the loom still in my car from inside the firewall and left kick panel. Jul 17, 2012 · Holden WL caprice Alloytec 190 won't start from first ignition key turn. 7,388 Satisfied Jul 14, 2010 · dry test- spark plugs are taken out and a pump like device is scrwed into the spark plugs placethey put pressure into the cylinder to make sure it's holding compression. to monster vz, the spark plugs are located under the manifold, so you need to remove the 6 bolts on top of the manifold, and any vacuum hoses connected to it, and there is a couple of electrical plugs at the back of the manifold. If the starter is faulty then it will not let the car to start. then dropped in new motor and which came with its My Daughter has a starting issue with her commodore. I'd do the VZ any day rather than the often frustrating VN-VY motor. Repeated a number of times and still the same. No codes showing up or Lost key so got new key and recoded car started twice then won't start. So I've just come back from 6 weeks overseas, and it's pretty much not starting 95% of the time and I've been doing the terminal shorting for 2 weeks now, send to be a permanent thing now Dec 7, 2018 · Starting problem, VZ commodore V6 Alloytec 2005 Just spins seem to want to start but not getting enough fuel. Common fault with the VZ Holden Commodore where the ECU fails to send the ground signal to the Starter Relay therefore the car doesn’t crank. Thread starter Muzza0100; Start date Aug 15, 2023; Tags it won’t be cheap. A member recently gave the cars "engineering" codes 1-31, the zeros and ones listing which may help pinpoint the failure/trouble point if you can't get a scan done. Spark plugs won't last 2/3 as long as they would on petrol. If both inputs are ok to the starter but inop I suggest a starter motor and retest. I ask because ive heard of other alloytecs doing so too. Mar 22, 2009 · Not separating the manifold to save tearing a gasket is common sense, not a shortcut. This engine is also dual fuel. Many thanks in advance. Jul 29, 2018 · With the help of a microscope, I deduced that my ECU did not - yet - have the 'mechanical' degradation suggested as resulting from prolonged exposure to the extreme regime of temperatures and vibrations. You know which is the control. Hey guys I have a 06 vz commodore that starts intermittently when I turn the key it just clicks sometimes and then randomly it’ll just start with no issues after a few tries. Sep 25, 2021 · My VZ Alloytec has a similar leak at the front, not sure where as yet, I am guessing the same it’s a cam sensor seal. Any suggestions what it may be? Im confident it's not the battery. Lucky to catch it before it let go all together, and no doubt at an inconvenient moment. Then try and start. I'm unsure of their capacity, and have been told different things (See posts below. Remember the thread of the forum member that dropped a 6 speed auto into a Crewman? He mentioned there was a change during production of the VZ. Once you know that. is this “normal” ( revs limiter) or is something really wrong with it? Any help appreciated. Battery out and recharged overnight to be sure. Obviously if you want to clean it out then you separate, but as I said that's so obvious as to not require mentioning. After some time the car comes with a "Check Oil" light and continues to drive like normal. 1mm and while you're at it, replace the oxygen sensors. If it very low fuel then in some cases this causes the problem. As I am still waiting on my chain kit (after 2 weeks) to be delivered. VZ Alloytec Nov 23, 2011 #6 hahahaha why the hell would they do that . Alloytec v6 175 . First i thought it was flooded so i kept trying to start it in 20sec bursts but nothing. So if you can make any sense of this please let me know, I be very interested. Previous owner had (poorly) wired in a sound system which was removed prior to me buying it. 7ltr, not 6ltr) and can only assume that also varied across the V6. Its not a delco/delphi like the earlier models (its a bosch) and not much information about it is available. Jan 10, 2012 · This isnt like anything else i have experienced. My mate VZ commodore new key cranks over won’t start, yes car was running when stopped lost key got new one won’t start, VZ, VZ Gary | Senior Technician 7,388 Satisfied Customers Jul 22, 2016 · 2005 VZ V6 base utility, LE0 alloytec 175kw, auto 4spd - original engine, box and modules Car was not in safety mode when I first bought as a fix-up project. Holden Commodore VZ Berlina 2006 Mar 11, 2019 #2 VZ 2004 holden fault codes. Also, any other warnings on the dash when it won’t start? Eg service vechile soon? VZ V6 is common for ECM failure which gives a no start condition. Jan 8, 2012 · the key reader is located on the end of ignition barrel where you insert the key, it is the metal ring contained in a plastic case that puses on to the end of the barrel, when you insert key into ignition the metal ball on the key depresses the reader in, there are 2 wires at the back of the reader, your new ignition needs to be coded to your old keys, try pressing unlock twice, it worked for Start date Jan 31, 2019; L. Also check and confirm that there is fuel in the car. It sounds just like a solenoid click into (or out of) place. You can test it out by pressing unlock while the key is in the ignition then starting the car or leaving the key in the ignition for 15 mins then starting. It is the body control module for the alloytec 190's that is ####ed. Nov 26, 2014 · If you want to start a flooded alloytec, press your accelerator to the floor, WOT, and start the crank sequence. Once a week it wont start at all, it will crank but wont start. Sometimes this Joined Nov 24, 2021 Messages 45 Reaction score 7 Points 8 Age 24 Location Perth Members Ride Vz 2007 alloytec Leo 3. Dec 2, 2019 · I had the exact same issue with my VZ - except that it made a lot of cam chain noise for the past 5000kms. i checked the CAN BUS and got 60 ohms across terminals so seems ok. Senior Technician. Key goes in, Engine gives that little whine and goes through check. Reconnected battery. So water pump gets replaced. Now holden dealers will charge an arm and a leg for this if you vehicle is not under warranty. Jan 14, 2012 · ECU was $1150 brand new, including programming from Holden, regardless where you source this from, it MUST be programmed, or atleast your BCM to be programmed otherwise you won't even be able to start the car or lock/unlock with remote key due to the security system not having the same codes as the ECU and they wont communicate properly. But recently the car wont turn on every now and then, I jst put it Jan 25, 2021 · Fuel pump not providing enough (poor earth/lacking pressure), earthing of the injector circuit etc. Just got hey, i have a VZ ALLOYTEC EXECUTIVE. Anyone had a similar problem? Customer: My vz Alloytec holden ute won’t start Mechanic's Assistant: Have you checked the battery, particularly the terminal connections? Are they corroded? Customer: turns over but not firing well Mechanic's Assistant: What is the model/year of your Holden? Aug 24, 2011 · hmmm, maybe a bad injector, get them checked out id sugest. Yes there are things out there but huge money just to end up with not much on a car that is worth a fraction of just the cost of engine mods. Mar 3, 2009 · VZ Alloytec Mar 4, 2009 shows service warning and then wont start. Its not like there's extra a friction or anything, it just STOPS like it comes into contact with something solid. Any serious engine mods must be accompanied by gearbox mods to strengthen the drive train. I know these are common problems on Alloytec but thought the V8 was ok. Hope yours is not one of them. there are no trouble codes for this on car. , with half throttle held, car will start and burst to 3000rpm for a second or two then die. I am not game to start pulling it down yet to see where it’s leaking, because once you start, there is no turning back. took it to auto electrician and they said it was the bcm. Feb 21, 2016 · Having a weird issue with a 2005 VZ HBA Alloytec engine. The first part of this is on my VZ. Worked fine last night, moved it from the driveway onto the grass, and now it wont start. Aug 14, 2011 · Just put new sparkplugs in my vz and now it wont start, it tries to kick over and it sometimes sounds like it's about to start but won't. Jul 25, 2020 · Not sure if it's worth mentioning, but the new motor was a 2004 and the old one was 05. However after Oct 10, 2016 · VZ Ute won't start. Do the battery terminals while you are at tit and then see how it goes. It does not have a poor reputation. You can remove one of the back coils, lay the coil sideways, reconnect the coil harness, fit a spark tester to the coil and ground, and then crank the engine. Apr 12, 2013 · Joined Jan 3, 2011 Messages 661 Reaction score 0 Points 16 Location Cardiff, NSW Members Ride 2004 VZ SV6 5-Speed Auto Well this problem as happend in the past very rarely so i didn't pay much attention to it. Jul 17, 2012 · I had the EXACT and I mean EXACT same problem with my vz sv6. it eventually chugs and almost starts, but then the dash lights up saying ABS FAULT or Check powertrain Feb 17, 2025 · Doing some mods in the driveway is not a thing on V6’s any more. ) These Alloytec motors like a thin oil, so I would not recommend using an oil any thicker than a 10w. Jul 14, 2010 · Joined Aug 29, 2007 Messages 1,872 Reaction score 22 Points 0 Age 39 Location Brisbane, QLD Members Ride VZ Alloytec Mar 27, 2010 · Yup. I don't miss changing that back drivers side plug down near the brake booster on VN-VP. If I bypass the starter relay it’ll start every time with no problem. Oct 20, 2021 · Joined Mar 18, 2006 Messages 22,428 Reaction score 29,959 Points 113 Location Western Australia Members Ride Kia Sorrento, VZ Crewman, VZ Cross 8 (VE Calais) Aug 11, 2010 · Start by undoing the 6 10mm bolts Holding down the Coil packs, they should now just pull out and now use your 16mm plug socket with extension to remove the plugs Now clean the Runner gasket area with some Metho or petrol and a razor blade( WARNING: TRY NOT TO DIG THE BLADE INTO THE SURFACE AS IT WILL CUT GROOVES INTO EASILY AS ITS ONLY ALLOY Jun 25, 2010 · This is my first post on JC, but have been lurking for a while, I have a problem with the VZ Alloytec 175kw ute running rich and generally using too much fuel, especially when cold. i'm haveing problems starting the engine, it will start but only if i turn the iginition on and remove the engine managment relay, replace it and turn the key. I think the engine cranks for about 10 seconds with no spark to clear the flooding, and then applies spark at the last second or two of the sequence to get the engine to turn over. Been to 3 mechanics and noone seems to be able to fault it. Engine starts and runs perfectly, smooth and not one rattle or tick upon startup. We have triple checked everything Evan put the old plugs back in, no chnagr. Hear the fuel pump whine. my son has 2004 alloytec VZ. 1 on first start of the day until the engine warms up a little and you turn it off and restart again, then it is okay for the rest of the day. justcommodores. Conversions, Looms and Flash Tunes | Hello everyone my daughter has 2004 VZ v6 Leo won’t start engine because dashboard flashing no crank,fuel gauge Jan 4, 2020 · The following is for both VZ and VE and VF Alloytec motors. Mar 22, 2009 · The job takes about 5 mins. If its cranks over once, your car should start About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright . Don’t push it in. if it holds pressure, it's fine, if not, it could be a number of things that won't allow it to seal eg, piston rings, cracks in the cylinder, bent valves or they aren't Aug 2, 2010 · Another thing possibly related was the battery was flat before the drive and twice before this alarm came up i went to start and nothing happened. I've put it in diagnostic mode and see that it also thinks the coolant temp is 215 degrees. Easiest way around this start saving some money. 6 Feb 21, 2012 · Owner of a 05 VZ SV6 190kw alloytec. Connect the test light to battery positive and touch (not in) the test light on the control pin. Sometimes it doesn’t click when tapping the accelerator. Does a weird click noise and engine doesn't turn over. 80,000km is already pushing it. Sep 28, 2010 · i started my vz and moved it about 4 meters, back into the garage. Original symptoms were; speedo stopped working, transmission display stuck on P for park no matter what gear selected, auto seems to be stuck in 3rd gear when driving in drive. So 05 heads on 04 block. Please help. My auto elec seems to think the power train Joined Sep 17, 2016 Messages 458 Reaction score 264 Points 63 Age 44 Location Mosman Members Ride Holden VZ Lumina Wagon The Ford Motocraft Semi-Synthetic I am using, which is the cheapest oil here, was not to blame. You need a Tech2 scan tool for further diagnosis. Anyone know much about this? Hello everyone my daughter has 2004 VZ v6 Leo won’t start engine because dashboard flashing no crank,fuel gauge @ power we have been fixed new pump fuel still same problem Everything Alloytec. Jul 17, 2012 · WL VZ alloytec won't start first go. Nov 21, 2024 · Joined Mar 18, 2006 Messages 22,533 Reaction score 30,150 Points 113 Location Western Australia Members Ride Kia Sorrento, VZ Crewman, VZ Cross 8 (VE Calais) May 10, 2017 · Also note that the vz alloytec isnt a great place to start. If I had a coin for every job done by a non professional that Ive had to fix Id be ten times richer than you. Was wondering if all alloytecs rattle at start up? The sound comes from the engine and sounds like there is something flapping around in there. com. Have had the battery checked and passed test at 580 on 75%. One of the quietest Alloytecs I've ever heard. then the SVS, check drive tran, ABS falt and safty mode show on the dash which allows me to cruse May 29, 2021 · Vz alloytec, had the heads off and new ex valves , all back together, compression good, timing double checked, car starts but immediately dies, occasionally stumbles a bit first like it's hunting for an idle but dies. Anyone know why my VZ Alloytec is cranking but won’t start seems no fuel or spark can’t figure it out. The computer set worked from a late VZ ‘06/07 wagon. i noticed i couldnt here the fuel pump, having had a fuel pump die on my falcon i dropped the tank to test the fuel pump, and to my surprise there was Vz alloytec choppy acceleration. Again, this is not a constant ticking noise that many people report the alloytecs make. Had all kinds of experts check everything, got a new key cut on their advice, burn out a starter motor trying to get it running (because it would start for a second or two every now and then). Jun 4, 2012 · VZ Alloytec Jun 5, 2012 #8 you need the keys to start the car this way, so technically he cant steal a car this way. Jan 10, 2012 · I could do this about 25 times and on the 26th it might start, or i could do it 3 times and it will start on the 4th. Sep 16, 2009 · No don't trickle charge but it's not there battery because tried jump-starting and a new battery. all random. VZ sv6 Alloytec 04 Jul 2, 2018 #3 Same problem guys, wouldn't mind an answer. Went to rotate the crank to align it with the dot on the oil pump, and it just STOPS. If you do not turn off and restart Nov 23, 2014 · Joined Dec 17, 2005 Messages 547 Reaction score 28 Points 28 Location SEQ Members Ride VF S1 SV6 STORM A6: VZ S1 SV6 A5 Jul 6, 2020 · Vz wont start. Mechanic came out with diagnostic recoded no start. Saturday, September 28th, 2019 AT 9:22 AM Feb 4, 2013 · just wondering on your ideas on i had an 3. I am not losing a drop now the valve stem seals have been changed, despite the motor having done 231 000 now. They are fairly easy to flush, I think @Fu Manchu has a thread on this, Oct 2, 2014 · I have the exact same problem with my 06 VZ, everytime I fill her up she won't idle, the only way to get her running properly is to put my boot into it when I start it to get the rev's up and then after that she's fine until the next fill. Had the ignition lock replaced as the key was able to move away from the lock breaking contact with the slip ring which I thought could be why it was dropping out Joined Nov 24, 2021 Messages 45 Reaction score 7 Points 8 Age 24 Location Perth Members Ride Vz 2007 alloytec Leo 3. Sometimes it will start, just by luck. Thread starter holdon !! Blown Alloytec. Jun 12, 2020 · This VZ is an ‘04. After getting a decent torque wrench from Autobarn I pulled everything off again and tightened to the correct torque and took it round the blockFeels really smooth now and can definitely notice the extra power the new plugs have given me back(the old ones were in quite poor condition). There are a lot of modern cars with plugs way worse than the VE-VZ to change. the next day i went to start the car, it turned over but refused to start. Check that the battery and starter have good clean, tight and corrosion free connections. Jul 22, 2016 · 2005 VZ V6 base utility, LE0 alloytec 175kw, auto 4spd - original engine, box and modules Car was not in safety mode when I first bought as a fix-up project. You turn the key to accessory and see the instrument pannel lite Check the key fob too as the fob has a built in immobiliser and if that battery is dead or on its way out the key wont make it start. Turned the key and engine fired up instantly and then cut out. Have a misfire on no. May 10, 2011 · The timing chain has a tendency to fail around the 140000k mark. I have replaced plugs, air filter and replaced collector and inlet manifold gaskets. This is a very costly replace and not something i would recommend to your DYI mechanic. Feb 2, 2012 · Joined Dec 13, 2003 Messages 7,692 Reaction score 169 Points 63 Location Canberra, ACT Website forums. Does a weird click noise and engine doesn't turn over. Sometimes I have to turn the key more than 6 times for the engine to start. My bet is it has no spark, and no injector pulse. Gary | Senior Technician. Every motor has its pros and cons. Also check and confirm that fuel pump is functioning properly and the fuel filter is not clogged. Cat Back + Sizes There are many off the shelf kits around for the Alloytec the most common used being Lukey, Redback, and Di fillipino. His Crewman was pre the change (maybe 5. Tayler VZ V6 Alloytec Jul 7, 2020 Aug 19, 2012 · Hi guys having a bit of trouble with my VZ Alloytec sedan. Thread starter jwaye2; Start date Aug 19, 2012; 1; 2; Next. The starter motor winds over for a lot longer that it should to start. If I put my foot flat to the floor and turn the key it will rev Apr 17, 2017 · Joined Jun 29, 2017 Messages 4 Reaction score 0 Points 1 Age 28 Location Sydney Western Suburbs Members Ride 2004 VZ SV6 Customer: I have a vz V6 Commodore alloytec I think anyway I changed the positive terminal and now it won't start Mechanic's Assistant: How long have you had problems starting the vehicle? Do any lights still turn on? Jun 13, 2011 · Starting problem, VZ commodore V6 Alloytec 2005 Just spins seem to want to start but not getting enough fuel. Oct 11, 2014 · Joined Dec 17, 2005 Messages 547 Reaction score 28 Points 28 Location SEQ Members Ride VF S1 SV6 STORM A6: VZ S1 SV6 A5 Apr 17, 2017 · The first time it didn't start, it actually may have had enough battery to do so on its own the first time, I'm not sure (battery is only 3 months old) - but since then I have tried starting it maybe 20 times and each time this is pretty much what happens: Customer: I've done vz v6 auto to 6speed manual conversion on my crewman I put the manual gearbox loom manual ecu BCM and pim so the car turns over but won't fire the auto engine loom is still in it are manual and auto engine looms different would that stop it from starting Mechanic's Assistant: How long have you had problems starting the vehicle? Jun 26, 2021 · Joined Jun 26, 2021 Messages 12 Reaction score 0 Points 1 Age 70 Location Nambour qld Members Ride Vz executive wagon alloytec v6 2006 Oct 16, 2023 · Just touch the test light tip on the pin. VZ commodore new key cranks over won’t start, yes car was running when stopped lost key got new one won’t start, VZ, VZ. got a new It's been quite the champ, but suddenly today when I went to start it it states on screen: "Fuel Gauge Error, Contact Dealer" and won't allow me to start it - as in it won't even engage the starter motor (I don't hear the normal fuel pump sounds either). Chapter 1 The You probably won’t want to remove the thermostat, when you find out where it is located, Even doing that, won’t really help, As you either remove the Transmission, Or all of the intake hardware. Hey guys. Mar 30, 2015 · Hi all, my vz alloytec logged the code U0101- lost communication with tcm. Reinsert key and turn ign to position 2 and check padlock goes out. Almost every other time it starts perfectly first turnover but maybe 1 in 15 starts it will take up to 5 turnovers before it fires up. au Members Ride 2011 Mitsubishi Pajero GLS It will come back on if you don't start the engine within 10 seconds. I’ve got an 04 Vz alloytec and it doesn’t start if the motors cold. It is recommended in my mate's Explorer manual. Once you turn the key, that immobilizer light should stay off and you start the car. A good point to start is to remove and clean all of the earths so you know that you are starting with a "clean" electrical system from the point of current flow. 5v Jul 3, 2011 · Hey guys, got a VZ exec, 120,000kms on it. Jun 22, 2011 · -At least 6. Replaced plugs. As repco offered $60 just for one i turned to ebay which was selling 6 for $100 so i went with those. SRS fault light after changing cluster Aug 11, 2010 · Ok turns out i didnt tighten the spark plugs to the correct tightness (between 16Nm - 20Nm). Sep 17, 2014 · The early VZ ECUs (2004/2005) are a problem if they are powered down for any period, the ECU sometimes will fail when repowered. LPG is a LOT more demanding on ignition components than petrol is. Disconnected battery. Another thing it does is it sounds like it has an exhaust leak when cold running, which goes away whem normal temp Mar 4, 2009 · Re: VZ alloytec PCM Pinout Post by Jayme » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:10 pm lol a mate who runs a dyno told me recently, I asked him just now to double check, he has a bunch of different software and said it might have been one of his other programs not hptuners, either way will check and let me know. Aug 11, 2021 · My every day car which is a VZ SV6 Commodore died on me, (WONT START)This is a common issue for these VZ Commodores In this video I take you with me on how t Jul 16, 2010 · I have an V6 04 VZ Ute At least twice a week when starting it up it will have ABS warnings(but ABS works perfectly). It’s a single click. The 5L40 won’t last 20mins. We show you how Oct 13, 2018 · Hi all, have had an issue for fourteen months on cold start up. Unless it does need to be replaced, That’s another 4 > 5 hour task. Key off back on and away it went. And the Americans swear by this oil. Ignition power should be at the little starter wire. Nothing. 5 litres of new oil for a VZ, and double-check the owners manual for the capacity and specs on a VE. As soon as we back off it’s fine. Mine would make the exact same clicking noise when started and every so often it would start. Oct 19, 2018 · Also about 6 months ago I noticed a tick noise (single tick, not constant) when tapping the accelerator. Checked at fuel relay, 12v available at relay socket when ignition switched on but only 2. I could do this about 25 times and on the 26th it might start, or i could do it 3 times and it will start on the 4th. (electrical problem) Thread starter Tayler; Start date Jul 6, 2020; Tags vz commodore wont start T. If it is coming on while you have key turned, you have a problem with the immobilizer which will prevent the vehicle from starting or take longer to start. 1 of 2 Sep 18, 2014 · The starter gets power from battery to start the care. 6 VZ (Omega CD here in Brazil). Holden WL caprice Alloytec 190 won't start from first ignition key turn. Has to be an old skool Jun 19, 2012 · Vz won't start after putting new engine in. So maybe it’s that. just be carefull, you may need to replace the gasket where the manifold sits, as if its the old paper Aug 8, 2012 · Decided to replace the plugs on my VZ Cross 6 (Alloytec). Drives great BUT when we do a fast takeoff ( like trying to overtake) it won’t go past 4K and seems like it wants to stall. ecxossp bxebnwg puddf srp hjhnj fghr ooo zuvif agz tsp zteb upz occu oeftx qfvi